Something Irritating

I was on my soapbox a while back. I don't do it too often, in my opinion, but as a submissive and a feminist, I have to often reflect on my experience of the kink and make sure I am okay with everything. You see, I view my submission as seperate from my gender, on the whole...but in this particular kink you often come across men and women that categorically link Dominant with male and thus with superiority, and likewise, submissive with female and thus inferiority. So, I was having a bit of a chat with a man and a woman I hardly know, about the subject. I apologize for my tangential mannerisms, but you know...whatever(lola/Domme/Dom):

Porn is made for men.
Not all porn.
Who cares?
It appeals to their sexual desires and fascinations, and features scenes that typically arouse men.
…and some women.
It is rare for a film to appeal to women, in general. I wish I could find some good chick porn...not just chick-on-chick porn.
Um, ok LOL.
It's a sad state of affairs as women are a great target audience, what with our sexuality being accepted more and more readily.

Um, it’s quite been accepted for years now LOL.
No, no it hasn't. It still isn't. In fact, we are just now developing the drugs to heighten women's arousal, yet the male eqivalent drugs have been around for years.
I must be misunderstanding then because I have not seen evidence that is has not been accepted…
Well, climaxing is not necessary for a women during sex to "complete the act" so it was hardly considered until recently.
That I agree with, and I think it is because science understands mens’ bodies more still. But still, all in all, women's sexuality in itself has been accepted for years.....just look at advertising.
Yes, look at advertising! Women's sexuality is EXPLOITED, not celebrated. And, furthermore, look at the art movement...the second-wave Feminists had to shove the pendulum to the other side, virtually alienating any non-fundamentalist feminist in order to get our sexuality recognized.
Yeah, but I have some problems with the whole "feminist" movement.
Yes, the second-wavers dicked that up some, but the newest generation is trying to make repairs.
Well, it’s my own personal opinion, take it or leave it. I enjoy being a woman and I don't want to fight to become a man, to be treated like one.
Yes, but that is the idea we're fighting against, Maam. You aren't fighting to become a man, you are fighting to have your needs, wants, desires, and truths recognized as openly as a man's are.
You are fighting against wanting to remain a woman?
No, I am fighting against what people have decided "woman" is for me. I am who I want to be and no one should tell me that I don't fit a stereotype of "woman" or that I am in any way less important that someone else.
Then don't let them...it is your opinion about you that matters, not everyone else’s. And so many are fighting so hard for those “so-called rights,” but when it comes down to it, and something they deem unfair happens to them, they don't want to suffer the same consequences as a man.
Wow, that's not true at all and it perpetuates the idea that women don't want to accept the same responsibilities.
Frankly, I am tired of women who say they want to be completely equal with men, yet want special treatment and considerations because they are women.
Yes, Maam, but those women are more rare than you think.
Not really, lola....not as rare as you think. I ran into them all the time when I was working....you also hear so many times about them on the news and magazines in general.
And casting us all into that description purely because of your experience with them is as narrow as any person who thinks that all women should be barefoot and pregnant in a kitchen…that's why you have to not feel ashamed of feminism...you have to show people how demanding equality isn't a burden or a hypocrisy. (Oh, here I go.)
I never put all or you in that category. If you notice I said to be yourself and also referred to only certain women. I definitely don't feel ashamed of it; I'm ashamed of the group of women who abuse it.

Why is it a group of women who abuse it? The myth of tyrannical feminism was actually perpetuated more by men who feared a change in the social repression.
Dark Green wonders if Brown will even marry after this conversation. LOL.
I doubt it, Dark Green. LOL. (Color me pissed…"the shrew-bitch has turned another ‘decent’ man gay.")
Answer me this lola, do you think there is a difference between men and women????????
Is there a difference? Absolutely. Is it a hierarchical tier? No. Is one inferior and deserve less attention, preference, and responsibility? No, no, no.
That's just my point, there IS a difference between men and women....women will never be able to be exactly like men in all areas...it is not biologically, physically or mentally possible.
They don't HAVE to be the same, just not INFERIOR.
I have never thought women inferior to me, lola…in any way.
Well good for you, Sir. I am not fighting YOU; I am fighting the idea that women do not deserve recognition, representation, and responsibility.
But there are some limitations on women that does determine that ability...it does not make them inferior by any means...just not built the same.
Yes, but that it negates the qualities that women possess over men.
Ok, I didn't quite understand that.
Like for example then, women have biology that makes them more capable than men in certain areas. Women have a unique ability to process fine motor skills. Didn't you ever stop to think about why men, in all of history, have done (on the average) the hauling, loading, farming, etc? And women do the needlepoint, have better handwriting...hell, women make better surgeons on the average. We are different and that should be recognized, but not limit us. Look, this is silly. You have obviously already made up your mind about feminism and the extent of its power, the role of women and the role of hypocrisy, and I can't change your mind.
Ok, I could go on and on about this all day, giving you plenty of examples but I think we just need to agree to disagree at this point...as you said, you are not going to change my mind and I am not going to change yours. :)

Oh, it hurts when it's one of your own team mates...shame, shame.

PS. More dirty posts as soon as S gets off his ass and gets on it, or mine...if you will! Hee hee.